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chris: they win. >> they're afraid of a debt ceiling confrontation or actually defaulting on the debt. they don't want to be blamed for that. >> the tea party people are not here to legislate. they're here to de'mon strailt. -- to demonstrate. they didn't get to do it on the fiscal cliff in the end. they want to do it to something and go over the edge. and this will take them over the edge and they will lose politically and the president is going to have to scramble to shut things down. and credit ratings will be affected. chris: when is the public going to make a verdict on whether they like that kind of behavior? >> they sort of did in the last election. chris: and 12 of our regulars including you, howard, can president obama split off enough republicans to win the big fights copping up on debt and the budget -- coming up on debt and the budget and guns? eight say yes. four say no. howard, you voted with the majority nt at least on the debt and budget issues and you're wary on the gun thing. >> yeah. and for the reasons that john was saying. because a lot of democrats who will be ru
chris: they win. >> they're afraid of a debt ceiling confrontation or actually defaulting on the debt. they don't want to be blamed for that. >> the tea party people are not here to legislate. they're here to de'mon strailt. -- to demonstrate. they didn't get to do it on the fiscal cliff in the end. they want to do it to something and go over the edge. and this will take them over the edge and they will lose politically and the president is going to have to scramble to shut things...
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regarding the debt ceiling. is that something that republicans are willing to do here, or it must be linked? the two have to go hand in hand? >> reporter: they are insisting, and when i say they, i'm talking about house republicans and the senate republican leader, but they have to go hand in hand. this is something that we heard over and over and over again when we had this debate the last time, back in the summer of 2011. andion that ve ioion you know t suzanne. but the house speaker and his aides are telling us that they really mean it this time. that there has to be a dollar of spending cuts for every dollar that the u.s. agrees to raise the debt limit. and that they would even go for a two or three-month extension as they try to work on a more global discussion of cutting spending. but even if there's an extension, it has to go point by point. the other thing i want to mention, suzanne, which i thought was really interesting, after covering the white house under george bush, that last question about the fac
regarding the debt ceiling. is that something that republicans are willing to do here, or it must be linked? the two have to go hand in hand? >> reporter: they are insisting, and when i say they, i'm talking about house republicans and the senate republican leader, but they have to go hand in hand. this is something that we heard over and over and over again when we had this debate the last time, back in the summer of 2011. andion that ve ioion you know t suzanne. but the house speaker...
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one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the shutdown and the continuing resolution in this totally screwed up washington that we have right now with all these perverse incentives, that actually does represent progress if republicans are now only talking about a government shutdown and not a debt default. >> do you agree with that? >> i mean, not really. i know what you're saying but i don't really think we should give a lot of rewards. we citizens, we the political class, or we the media for different strains of this kind of leverage. i think the problem and it was in a
one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the...
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they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until march. we start with nbc's peter alexander outside the white house. peter, the president also told congress if they don't want to take the political risk of raising the limit, give him the power. he'll do it himself. >> reporter: that's clear f. you aren't going to do it, i'll do it myself. in essence today, toure, he basically dared congress not to up the debt ceiling today. obviously, one of the comments he said that i think is pretty interesting is saying in his own language, they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the econom
they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until march. we...
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this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending on entitlements like social security and medicare and fixing a long-term problem. it's not just about paying the bills. it's about the future. >> right, but there are also a lot of political calculations in here. i assume they're very close to the political calculations we saw in the last crisis. >> yes, they are, although, you know, in the last crisis it was very clear that the president had the let me rverage. he had just won the election. he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far
this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending...
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in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from discretionary programs. >> what's the budget control act? >> it's what came out of the last debt ceiling debacle when the republicans and the democrats agreed on this trillion dollars of roughly discretionary -- all discretionary spending reductions. but the point is, none of this really touches entitlements. none of it touches the mandatory. and its $2.4 trillion. >> where is the sequestration in these numbers? >> it's not in here yet because it hasn't happened yet. this is sort of where we are today. this next graph shows you how budget wonks measure our progress. if we had done nothing, we w
in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from...